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  Have you ever had " a moment of clarity"?

  by elderelite in

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  these moments are something that not eveyone has experianced, but if you have they are with you every day.

  a true moment of clarity is not something you live once.

  you live it every time you think of it.

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  THANK YOU for bumping this thread! Great read. I didn't know these moments were real until I had one.

  I was sitting on my couch, just as I am right now typing this, iPad in my lap. I had been curious about old WT writings, so I downloaded an old WT and was skimming, thinking to myself, 'wow, this Russell guy just spews numbers and dates and gibberish! Nothing makes sense in here.' then I saw him reference 606 bce as being the date for jerusalem's fall. Then it clicked, and the house of cards fell down. I right then realized that after the 'ordinal year' issue was sorted out, 1914 didn't change! A little further research on 607/587 and the scales fell from my eyes with regard to the FDS and WT. If this isn't right, nothing is right. I had wasted the first 25 years of my life in a false religion.

  Then I thought, 'what about my wife? My family?' My in-laws Would just be proved right about me. I just sat on my couch and sobbed. And I don't cry. Before that I hadnt cried since my dog died when I was a kid.

  I remember that moment now as if it just happened.
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  I left the Witnesses over 10 years ago, but finally went back

  by JakeMarley in

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  the entire time i was gone it was nagging at me.

  i hadn't been previously baptized, so leaving wasn't that big a deal.

  now i'm back in the swing of it, going to all meetings and field service.

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  Hmm I think he may have been mistaken about what kind of forum this is..... I hope he checked back at least once.
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  Who on this site would you not like to meet?

  by sooner7nc in

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  where's the damn "little yellow smiley face guy eating popcorn emoticon"?.

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  OBVES, DJeggnogg, mrfacts, nananananana... And other trolls
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  Books or exercises to learn critical thinking

  by Captain Obvious in

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  i was sitting at the meeting this morning (yes, still keeping up appearances), listening to the speaker and trying to understand his lack of logic.

  his talk was about education.

  he seemed all over the place, not really making proper points.

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  Thank you! I'll get that book
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  Newbie - Not ex-JW

  by cog_survivor in

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  i've been lurking on the forum for over a year now.

  i'm not an ex jw but have some weird connections to the group none the less.. i was raised in the worldwide church of god.

  a lot in common with jws.

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  Care to elaborate on how the org went bust? I'm also curious about the teaching techniques they used... We're they mind controlling like the WT?
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  STOP MAKING CRAP UP!

  by Sheep2slaughter in

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  i had to start this thread in light of today's watchtower study.

  in paragraph 14,15 they mention the grounds for separation.

  no scriptures are sighted but i am well aware of the support they usually use.. i am so sick of the watchtower making crap up!

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  Soo biblical morality=knowing exactly how and when to beat your slave/maidservant/wife and how much. Just not with a rod... Remember jehovah of armies hates violence!

  Honestly though aside from the dogmatic "principles", shitty examples and poor advice, today's WT study wasn't all that bad!

  That one statement about a spouse's spiritual endangerment being grounds for separation had me steaming... Because that could easily happen if my wife were to tell an elder about the "spiritual discussions" we have.
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  Books or exercises to learn critical thinking

  by Captain Obvious in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was sitting at the meeting this morning (yes, still keeping up appearances), listening to the speaker and trying to understand his lack of logic.

  his talk was about education.

  he seemed all over the place, not really making proper points.

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  I was sitting at the meeting this morning (yes, still keeping up appearances), listening to the speaker and trying to understand his lack of logic. His talk was about education. He seemed all over the place, not really making proper points. But he did mention that early childhood education helps them to think logically...

  Then I realized that my critical thinking skills.... Well they suck. I am a born-in, and have never had the opportunity to learn logical or critical thinking skills. If I had, you better believe I would have never been baptized. I am still a sucker for logical fallacies, though I am slowly learning to spot them. They just don't jump out at me like they do for some people.

  Can anyone recommend a book or excercise that myself and others can read or do to develop these skills?
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  Newbie - Not ex-JW

  by cog_survivor in

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  i've been lurking on the forum for over a year now.

  i'm not an ex jw but have some weird connections to the group none the less.. i was raised in the worldwide church of god.

  a lot in common with jws.

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  Welcome cog!

  Have you looked into Steve Hassan's work at all? I recommend Combatting Cult Mind Control.
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  The biggest enemy the Watchtower Corporation faces now is "The Truth"

  by Finkelstein in

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  thats my opinion because the wts really has been preaching false information now for so long about the end times and armageddon soon.. also the doctrine that jesus chirt has taken a position over his earthly and heavenly kingdom in 1914 .... etc.

  its been a winfall marketing scheme for such a long time, which now really doesn't have much leg to stand on.. time in conjunction with reality has made the wts's doctrines redundantly weak or useless more or less.. i'm even believing the leaders of the wts are even starting to know this for themselves.. the wts future and its main supporting pieces of literature, the watchtower and awake magazines may eventually be tossed aside.

  for some new doctrines as well newly named pieces of literature .

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  Unfortunately, while some may wake up... The org will continue to grow. It is a cult, after all. I honestly believe that if the GB were to come out and say "HA! Its all bullshit, suckas!" there would still be many who would believe.

  Even if there is a major shift in doctrine, they will just push harder for obedience to "God's Organization" and be even MORE black and white. All we can do is try to get our loved ones to wake up. That isn't easy when a person doesn't have any logical reasoning skills whatsoever. I'm now fully awake, but I still lack these skills.

  Lets just hope more bad PR will get the public more aware of the dangers of joining the cult "Jehovah's earthly organization."
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  Kinda new here. A Backstory.

  by SethBridge in

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  im kind of new here.

  i was a former member of this site, a little over a year ago.

  had planned on writing a backstory of what happened in the past year but decided to keep it simple.

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  Was immediately kicked out of their house. Like a few minutes after.

  Only in a cult could you see parents make a split second decision to suddenly turn their backs on their son. Hopefully it's jus the cult programming at work! Thanks for sharing your story.